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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.06.21 09:42:16 -
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Jumped to the end of the thread and at first thought that it's Taloses who probe you down and warp to you and I was like "wow, this went far".
Anyway, I wanted to thank OP and all the rest for amazing work on this topic, definitely way to go.
Although those setups will cost a lot to get, but seeing how much of them I get, it seems like well worth the hassle.
Too bad most of them use skills I'm not good with, but I understand the reasons. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
869
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Posted - 2015.06.21 11:35:23 -
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Xolerick wrote:Hello every1 =) thank you for your fittings.
Just a bit of Info for all those who just try agents. Today I messed up totaly. Was fighting Guristas Burner = Worm in a Daredevil and instead of fitting MWD i fitted AB and ofcourse I could not catch the ****... and so I already said goodbye to expensive fit but decided to run till the cap boosters end =) so I flew towards the planet... and when i was out for about 300-400km from Burner base he just flew back... It was my last of 11 navy cap booster charges. BUT I AM ALIVE!!!! Just so you know! Never give up and run run run if **** hits the fan.
Good advice. Normally rats don't chase you forever (and they tend to reset their HP and whatnot when they disengage btw), but it's good thing to remember that and don't panic.
Learned that during last mission of Angels arc, except that time it wasn't desirable outcome, had to restart an engagement :/ |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.06.25 05:50:10 -
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So, have another 
Yesterday I've seen a few videos on topic and now I have some questions.
1) Some guy used basic T2 10mn Confessor to take on Taloses. Fit was something along these lines:
[Confessor, Confessor - Burner Talos]
Small Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Looking at stats, a lot of ships should be able to pull similar stuff off - he was hit maybe once, when he was orbiting on of the BCs (could be avoided by choosing different orbit nevertheless).
What would you guys say?
2) How close to perfect skills you need to be in order to complete 4 Dramiels in Vigilant? Can I possibly cover lack of Minmatar cruiser 5 and T2 hybrids? (Yeah, I know, that's huge, but still...)
Why Void is recommended? Is tracking penalty small enough to not matter? |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
883
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Posted - 2015.06.25 13:41:10 -
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Thanks guys. For the reference, here are those videos:
Confessor vs Taloses
Vigilant versus Dramiels
Budget triple web dualrep fit that was shown in the last video:
[Vigilant, Angel Burner]
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
It doesn't look like the attempt is super tight and there's no room for mistakes. IIRC there was no drone tanking and I don't remember him overheating anything, so who knows, perhaps it can work with meta 4 guns and faction antimatter.
...why did I think that not training hybrids to 5 was a good idea back then?..
On confessor: it's a bit slower than 2600+, but looking at that video it's not a problem to speedtank even while orbiting one of those Taloses. I also think that orbit presented in the video wasn't optimal as it was almost on the same plane with general direction towards other taloses.
Feel free to point out if something is wrong with those videos.
P.S. Nice to have a reason to get a few more shinies  |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
885
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Posted - 2015.06.26 08:54:01 -
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Jori McKie wrote:...but more important you have to maintain your speed at ~2600 m/s and orbit the Talos that means even with small guns lots of angular velocity. Try a DPS graph with EFT on a target with ~120m/s and full transversal, so roughly @5km orbit 300DPS.
I am not sure where 2600 comes from. Perhaps if you fit some blinged AB, you can do that.
Another thing is that you can't really maintain full speed on orbit with oversized AB. Even at about 600 m/s in defence mode you still have speed/sig ratio two times better than 50mn Vagabond, and it can be improved by staying in prop mode thanks to generally better numbers there and additional agility that allows to maintain orbit on high speed better.
Now, not saying that Confessor is better, just making sure where numbers are coming from and whether I understand how things work.
Also, there's Svipul which is I think better than Confessor for this missions, but gotta check. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
983
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Posted - 2015.07.31 20:56:37 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Is there a gunnery based ship that can run the Ashimuu Burner mission?
I don't have missile skills for the Gila or Cerebus, and I don't have T2 Heavy Drones for the Ishtar yet (I'm losing faction drones on Sisi).
Considering that the mission features rather heavy TD, I'm afraid it's going to be problematic, to say the least.
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
1102
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Posted - 2016.03.09 14:03:13 -
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Quick question:
Chruker insists that chase speed of burners Jag and Hawk are about 11400 and 1100 respectively, however OP still suggests that kite Retribution can handle them. Particular fit that is suggested under the link in the OP is an AB fit that can barely go above 1050.
Of course we can always slap an MWD on it (if they start outside of their 13 km "death radius" in the mission pocket), but what's the deal with the suggested fit?
Just so that you don't have to look it up:
[Retribution, Burner Jaguar/Hawk]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gistii A-Type 1MN Afterburner
[empty med slot]
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[empty high slot]
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Locus Coordinator II
Small Energy Locus Coordinator II
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
1102
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Posted - 2016.03.10 07:21:34 -
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Ploing wrote:Jori McKie wrote:
In case you can't match the Burner speed use a T2 speed rig or an A-Type AB or speed imps like Zor's Hyperlink etc.
So, basically "here's the fit, but fly different one", got it.
For the record, it will take much more than that to make it go above 1400 for jag burner. Do you guys run missions snaked/linked or something? 
For now I just don't see why don't just use MWD instead of all that bling, especially since they all start at range, I think.
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